Two software engineers exploring the facets of developing SaaS businesses while working their day jobs. Hosted by Darby Frey, co-founder of Lead Honestly, and Ethan Gunderson, founder of Glean.
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3: Marketing as a Roadmap
Darby gives an update on the new version of Lead Honestly and Ethan talks about his work on the Glean marketing page and how it can drive the product roadmap

2: It’s not about working faster, it’s about cutting scope
Darby convinces Ethan that he should work on a marketing page and Darby gives us an update on his ideas for a new version of Lead Honestly.

1: Rewrites and Refactors
Darby talks about his new idea for a Lead Honestly rewrite and Ethan has a unicorn of a refactor.
